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Charlie Cook - tell us about the Oly scoring
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Chris Woods
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Nov 14, 2005, 4:04 AM

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Charlie, if you are "out there" can you give us some insight into the decisions for the scoring?


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The Publisher
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Nov 15, 2005, 8:35 PM

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Charlie Cook speaks on the subject in Scuttlebutt 1968: http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/..._Detail.asp?key=3234




USA8016
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Nov 16, 2005, 9:40 AM

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Thanks for the insight, Charlie.

Wonder how much this will trickle-down to other events. It seems a bit complicated for the RC, and perhaps a bit discouraging for the many also-rans.

Also wonder why it got such strong support in the voting when the reality is that the time zone is so far off from many markets, so that most viewers will not see a "last race" duel (for all 45 minutes or whatever the courses are) but rather a heavily edited package.


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Nov 16, 2005, 6:40 PM

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I think this format is kind of intriguing for any event. Say it is a 6-race event, but only the top 10 get a sixth race. You approach it like there will be five races, and if all goes well, you get to race in the final "money round." However, the logistics seem to be a bit tricky. Is the RC gonna score it on the water after the fifth race, and then tell all but the top ten to sail in? What about protests during the day that might effect the outcome of the top ten? Most events won't have a single race on the final day, so while this format presents some interesting twists to today's standard system, administering the system will be hard.


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Nov 16, 2005, 7:12 PM

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Olympic aspirants spend years and countless sums
training for and competing in the Olympics. They put their lives on hold.
They want to compete in a fair event, with the best sailors winning the
Gold.

How does weighting one race out of six in a series for a one-design fleet equate to a fair event? Is the Olympic Committee going to guarantee that conditions will be exactly the same for every race in the series? What if light conditions prevail for the start of the series, and on the last day it blows 30 knots? Or vice-versa? Why not just run the one race and get it done with? Then we won't have to wait to know the results, and we can get back to our baseball scores or World Cup Soccer results. Doesn't each country have eliminations to select their Olympic Sailing team already? Why not just eliminate all but the final fleet of racers and have them race the one final race. No need to have Sailing bother the Olympics any more than necessary. Sailors could show up for just one day and then leave. They could rotate the fleets. Stars one day, Ynglings the second, Lasers the third, etc. Winner take all --- that's something Joe Public AND the sponsors could certainly understand. The Host Country would only need one RC and a much smaller facility could house the whole thing. WOW! What a great idea!!!!


blowboater
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Nov 18, 2005, 7:11 AM

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I hear you Charlie, I am just not sure that anything other than heavy editing can make sailing fun to watch for the masses (or even many of the knowledgeables).

I wonder what Gary Jobson thinks about the scoring's effect on the effect the changes will have on TV appeal?


Glenn
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Nov 18, 2005, 10:48 AM

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The final race will be a free-for-all. Higher risks will be taken, for the greater potential reward. The on-the-water umpiring will attempt to hold this back, but who has calculated how many on-the-water umpires will be needed for 11 fleets?

This sounds like a huge win for umpires. Hurry up and get certified so that you can get your round trip airfare and housing paid for in 2008. Wait a minute, isn't Charlie an umpire?

And what happens when the wind drops off to 0-0 for the final days of the Olympics and none of the finals occur? How many TV cameras will ever show up ever again?





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Dec 3, 2006, 2:14 AM

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Well, it’s probably all too late to make changes for China but just consider this. The following rules involve point manipulation: 30.2, 30.3, 36, 44.3, 64.1, 64.3, 67, 69.1, 78.2, 86.1, 88.3 and Appendix A. In addition, NoRs, SIs and protest panels vary scoring as well so “sailing definitely has a challenge in communicating its scoring system to the non-sailing world” (quote Goran Petersson, President ISAF)

Naturally, changing to a more understandable scoring system will not instantly bring more non-sailors to our sport. The way major regattas are presented must also change so that they become attractive to visitors and spectators. All of which must be accompanied by a major media and marketing strategy involving a very large ISAF team on site. It is not rocket science!

The question is… Will ISAF, its proposed World Cup partners and the Olympic venue organisers rise to the challenge?

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