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Is it always this bad? - TRANSAT JACQUES VABRE
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USA8016
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Nov 7, 2005, 5:50 AM

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Seems that these poor guys get the snot beat out of them every race!

Wasn't the last one like a 30% finish rate? (When most of the ORMA's were rolled the first few days?)


hookinnhangon
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Nov 7, 2005, 6:11 AM

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yeah, those guys are sick-o. Flying 2 hulls offshore in a big breeze! How I would love to try that!


The Publisher
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Nov 7, 2005, 12:43 PM

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Photos of the Monohull and Multihull 50-foot and 60-foot fleets starting and blasting off are now posted on the Scuttlebutt website: http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/photos/05/tjv-start

- Craig Leweck, Scuttlebutt


kyle
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Nov 11, 2005, 8:30 AM

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50% drop out rate for the ORMA fleet less than half way through...WOW!


Alan H
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Nov 11, 2005, 4:34 PM

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go look up the results of the last Route du Rhum. It was total carnage in the ORMA fleet.


PaulK
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Nov 12, 2005, 9:23 PM

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A lot of these guys have relatively little experience. They're head out focusing on their destination in the warm latitudes and the steady trade winds that will waft them there. They idolize the heavy-duty offshore solo sailors and think that the Atlantic must be a piece of cake because it's so far away from the Roaring 40's. Surprise, surprise! Over the years this race has been run, the boats have evolved into fairly capable, craft. I only hope they're all able to come through it ok, along with their crews.


Bird Man
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Nov 12, 2005, 11:09 PM

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are the tri's under built, i just dont understand how there can be so much carnage if you are sailing smart, espically with the past drop out percentage. so these frogs just not think or are they bad at building boats


Presuming Ed
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Nov 14, 2005, 11:31 AM

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A lot of these guys have relatively little experience.



Really? Having a quick look. "Little experience" - personally, can't find anybody for who it was a first racing transatlantic. In fact, these guys are the heavy duty solo sailors, with things like numerous transatlantic and round the world races.

Thomas Colville - http://www.sodebo-voile.com/
4 trips round the world, something like 8 transatlantic races/record attempts

Foncia: Armel
Numerous Figaro, one transat on Foncia
Damian Foxall:
2001 - The Volvo Ocean Race - 4th
2002 - Jules Verne Kingfisher
2003 - Tornado Olympic Campaign
2002-2004 ORMA Trimaran circuit
3rd Doublehanded Transat 'Jacque Vabre'
1st Grand Prix Cagliri
1st Grand Prix Fecamp
1st Transat Quebec-St Malo
2nd Grand Prix Marseille
2nd Grand Prix La Trinite
2nd Grand Prix Calvi
2004 Fastest Boat the sail around the world
Cheyene - 58 Days 9hrs

Soldini - TIM
1992 2nd Europe 1 Star single-handed 50' class 1994 1st Roma x 2 1995 2nd BOC Challenge single-handed round-the-world, 50' class 1996 1st Roma x 2 with Isabelle Autissier 1st Europe 1 Star single-handed 50' class 1st Québec-St.Malo 50' and 60' classes 1997 1st Roma x 2, 50' class 1998 1st Atlantic Alone (60' class) single-handed, overall winner and new race record 1999 1st Around Alone (60' class) single-handed round-the-world, new race record 2000 5th Europe 1 New Man Star single-handed, 60' class; 2nd Québec-Saint Malo 50' and 60' classes 2001 with trimaran Open 60’ took part in the Cap d’Agde Grand Prix, Cagliari GP and Fécam GP, 7th in Transat Jacques Vabre 2002 Season 1st place in Roma x 2 2003 Italian GP (7th), Marseilles GP (8th) 2004 TheTransat (7th), Québec-Saint Malo (5th) 2005
Corse GP (6°), Giraglia Rolex Cup (6°), Marseilles GP (6°)

Brossard: Yvan Bourgnon
2003 : Champion de France de Formule 18
2002 : Défi du Détroit, Record
2000 : Grand Prix de Fécamp, 3ème
2000 : Défi de l'Atlantique sur 24h, Record
2000 : Transat Québec St Malo, 3ème
1999 : Transat Jacques Vabre, 3ème
1998 : Grand Prix de Vendée, 2ème
1997 : Transat Jacques Vabre, Vainqueur, Co-skipper
1997 : Vainqueur du Fasnet, Vainqueur, Tacticien
1997 : Défi de la Manche, Record, Tacticien
1997 : Course de l'Europe, 3ème
1995 : Course de l'Europe, 3ème, Equipier
1995 : Mini Transat, Vainqueur
1995 : Mini Fasnet, Vainqueur

Groupama 2 Franck Cammas
2005• Vainqueur du Grand Prix Cap L'Orient
• Vainqueur du Grand Prix du port de Fécamp
• Vainqueur du Grand Prix de Galice
• Vainqueur du Grand Prix de Marseille Métropole
• Vainqueur de la Giraglia
• Vainqueur du Grand Prix de Corse
• IB Group Challenge (Abandon)

2004• Champion ORMA
• Champion du monde Fico-Lacoste
• Vainqueur du Grand Prix de Marseille
• 3ème du Grand Prix de Corse
• 2ème du Grand Prix de Fécamp
• 2ème de la transat Québec / Saint-Malo
• 3ème de The Transat
• Vainqueur du Grand Prix de La Trinité-sur-Mer

2003• Champion ORMA
• Vainqueur de La Transat Jacques Vabre
• Vainqueur du Grand Prix de Fécamp
• Vainqueur du Grand Prix de Marseille
• 2ème du Grand Prix d'Italie
• Vainqueur du Challenge Mondial Assistance
• Vainqueur du Grand Prix de Lorient



2002• 6ème du Championnat ORMA
• La Route du Rhum (Abandon)
• Grand Prix de Fécamp (non partant)
• 2ème du Grand Prix de Belgique
• La Course des Phares (Abandon)
• Vainqueur du Grand Prix de Lorient

2001• Champion ORMA
• Vainqueur de la Transat Jacques Vabre
• 3ème du Grand Prix de Belgique
• 2ème du Grand Prix de Fécamp
• 2ème du Grand Prix d'Italie
• Vainqueur du Grand Prix du Cap d'Agde
• 3ème du Challenge Mondial Assistance

2000• Champion ORMA
• Champion du monde Fico Lacoste
• 2ème du Grand Prix de Royan
• Vainqueur du Grand Prix de Fécamp
• Vainqueur de la Transat Québec-St Malo
• 3ème de l'Europe 1 New Man Star (Plymouth-Newport)
• 2ème du Grand Prix de La Trinité-sur-Mer



1999• 2ème du Championnat ORMA
• 2èmeTransat Jacques Vabre
• 3ème Grand Prix de Fécamp
• 3ème Course de l'Europe
• 3ème Grand Prix de Marseille
• 3ème Grand Prix de Vendée
• Fastnet, abandon

1998• 3ème Route du Rhum
• 5ème Grand Prix de Royan
• 2ème Grand Prix de La Trinité-sur-Mer


Orange
Yvan
Palmarès (2000-2005)
2005 Transat Jacques Vabre sur Orange Project
Equipier Orma sur le Trimaran Banque Populaire
Vainqueur IB Group Challenge avec Pascal Bidégorry sur Banque populaire
2004 Equipier à bord du Trimaran Banque Covefi
2003 Transat Jacques Vabre sur Banque Covefi
Trophée Clairefontaine avec Laurent Bourgnon
2001 Transat Jaques Vabre avec Yvan Bourgnon
4ème au Challenge mondiale Assistance avec Yvan Bourgnon sur Bayer
2000 3ème dans Québec-Saint-Malo avec Yvan Bourgnon sur Bayer
Record du nombre de mille en 24 heures (26,03 noeuds de moyenne), avec Y. Bourgnon sur Bayer
Steve

Palmarès (2000-2005)
2005 Transat Jacques Vabre sur Orange Project
Skipper du Trimaran Stena Sovcomfloti - Vainqueur de la Nokia Oops Cup avec Bruno Peyron
2004 Skipper du Trimaran Banque Covefi
2003 Skipper du trimaran Banque Covefi - 7ème du Championnat ORMA
2002 Route du Rhum (Technomarine)
2001 Vainqueur de la Transat en double Jacques Vabre (Groupama)
3eme Challenge Mondial Assistance (Groupama)
2000 Vainqueur de la Transat Québec-St Malo (Groupama)
Vainqueur du Trophée Clairefontaine
2eme Grand-Prix du Beau-Rivage



PaulK
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Nov 14, 2005, 3:11 PM

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You're right. I got it mixed up with the Mini-Transat and the general French approach to long-distance sailng, which I think is too laissez-faire.


Snappy
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Nov 15, 2005, 8:59 AM

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Just took a look at the Transat rankings, and saw that only 20 of the original 35 starters are still in the race. What's worse is that of the 15 on the sidelines, 4 are listed as "NOT LOCATED." Link: http://www.jacques-vabre.com/...k/accueil_uk2005.htm

With the race hardly half over for most entrants, how worse will this get?





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