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nkroeger
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Oct 31, 2005, 8:47 PM

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Hey to all
I plan on sailing this fall, and I'm looking for a good dry suit, any ideas on what I should be looking for? (Products restricted to North America)
Thanks


Atilla The Hun
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Nov 1, 2005, 2:20 AM

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I recomend getting something breathable. I have a drysuit and do some dingy sailing over the winter months, however its not breathable. What happens is without breathable that you sweat for a period... then in down time you cool off and tend to stay cold as the previous sweat has nowhere to go. I've seen the newish Gul Hyper dry suits. Seems to me its a better concept than having a latex seal cutting off your circulation. good luck


Pete Skewes
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Nov 1, 2005, 2:50 AM

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I'm a huge fan of drysuits for sailing in the cooler cimates, but I have to disagree with Atilla. I've had a few drysuits over the years, and would never have another breathable.

The basic nature of the breathable fabric (which is very clever) allows salt water into (but not through) the membrane of the fabric. Over a period of time, the cycle of salt water/sunlight/crystalised salt over and over again, leads to the drysuit "weaping", and you find your self damp every time you take of the suit after a dday on the water. This is a draw back of any breathable material, no matter how good the name of the manufacturer, or how expensive the garment, and is not limmited to drysuits - I've suffered this problem with offshore foul weather gear too.

Of course, if your sailing is on fresh water, then this may be much less on an issue!!

As for the alternative to the latex seals - it sounds good, if they work as well as the latex.Cool
Pete Skewes

President, Australian F18 Association


nkroeger
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Nov 1, 2005, 4:54 AM

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For the Zippers, do you all prefer to have the zipper in the front like the Gul, or is it easier with the zipper about shoulder height on your back like the Helly Hansen. The Gul cuffs are made of neoprene, will it prevent all water from comming in? With all the splash tops i've tried, the Neoprene cuffs have never stopped the water from comming up my back, will it be like that with the dry suit?


Bird Man
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Nov 1, 2005, 6:33 AM

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im a huge fan ok a wetsuit under my fowl weather gear. i have not had a problem execpt unless i get wet i tend to get really hot. i currently h ave a full body gill wetsuit and musto mpx pants and spray top. ive been fine on everything from lasers to big boats.


ibsailn
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Nov 1, 2005, 7:14 AM

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I have done a lot of sailing in drysuits (being from Maine and then sailing in college). I also was in charge of the team drysuits in college. I have not ever used a breathable drysuit, but always wanted one. I do have very nice Gore-Tex "Ocean" foulies which are comfortable to wear all day and have held up to thousands of miles offshore. The "Ocean" Gore-tex is supposed to be more resistant to the salt water and if it is available in a drysuit I would highly suggest it.

I prefer the back zipper location as it is more comfortable to me and doesn't get in the way. The big downside is that it is very hard to zip or unzip by yourself and your friends will think it is really funny to refuse to unzip you when you need to go to the bathroom.

As for seals, I would highly suggest full booties (wear a pair of socks under as well as over the booties so that it is easier to get into or out of your dingy boots. I have a second pair of dingy boots a size larger just for my drysuit. I doubt that the neoprene seals work that well, and if you trim the seals correctly they aren't that uncomfortable. This is possible if you own your own suit but wasn't possible for the team suits our college had.

My last peice of advice is invest in some nice long underwear at the same time. Even some very thin capelene or similar long underwear will help wick your sweat away from your skin and make you far more comfortable. Lastly, don't EVER weat cotton under your dry-suit. You WILL end up soaked.


cdiddy
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Nov 1, 2005, 1:49 PM

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I suggest you buy a drysuit so you stay warm. used ones are the best because they cost less. hey...whaddya know, I'm selling one. are you interested?


Curmudgeon
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Nov 1, 2005, 2:28 PM

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I suggest you buy a drysuit so you stay warm. used ones are the best because they cost less. hey...whaddya know, I'm selling one. are you interested?


Let's not use the Forums for selling items.

Thanks,

The Curmudgeon


Snaggletooth
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Nov 1, 2005, 5:03 PM

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Im new here are there any classified section to sell stuff? I don't see any links to such.


cdiddy
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Nov 1, 2005, 6:36 PM

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Worth a shot right???Cool


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Nov 1, 2005, 7:48 PM

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Im new here are there any classified section to sell stuff? I don't see any links to such.



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D4DR
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Nov 2, 2005, 2:57 PM

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im a huge fan ok a wetsuit under my fowl weather gear. i have not had a problem execpt unless i get wet i tend to get really hot. i currently h ave a full body gill wetsuit and musto mpx pants and spray top. ive been fine on everything from lasers to big boats.


I'm just starting dingy saling and currenly just have a wetsuit and waterproof spray top. I've been thinking about drysuits for colder weather but so far the price has put me off buying. I tend to get warm quickly rather than cold, and from what you say a drysuit might not be the way to go. Are the MPX trousers you've got pretty lightweight? I'm not familiar with them.


Bird Man
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Nov 2, 2005, 6:34 PM

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the mpx pants are not that light, they are ment for off shore, but since its all i have, i live with it. they are too heave and bulky for laser sailing, but i love them for 420's, fj's and tech dingies.


D4DR
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Nov 3, 2005, 1:46 AM

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Thanks, maybe I'll look out for some lightweight ones to wear over a wetsuit.


Phil McCavity
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Nov 3, 2005, 2:07 AM

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get a range of wetsuits for all weathers.

a wetsuit with a rip is still useful

a drysuit with a rip is f^cked - seals go and have a more finite life.
"The Cornish Shrimper"


Can2728
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Nov 3, 2005, 6:30 AM

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I have a Gul Drysuit… It is the best drysuit I have ever owned. The myth about the Neo seals not working as well as latex is crap. The seals work really well and are much more comfortable than the last suit I had with latex seals. I have been on the water about 65 times with this suit… still dry.
I like my wetsuit too, but make sure you get one with the reinforcement on the butt.. not just the plastic stuff but the one’s with Cordura on the seat… you will pay a bit more but overall it is much better…


alimeller
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Nov 3, 2005, 6:33 AM

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I don't think there is one best drysuit. It depends on what you are doing.

If you are wearing it for extended periods of time, say most of the day, and are working hard, you need a breathable drysuit. If you are sailing a two hour session only, you have less need of a breathable drysuit.

If you are a college sailor and expect to be practicing several days each week, week after week, you have a good case for a more expensive, and more durable drysuit.

And it you are out there for hours, you may want a relief zipper.

I frostbite in two hour sessions in Annapolis. I wear a non breathable drysuit. If I am working hard on a windy day, my base layers and mid layers are starting to get damp at the end off the two hours, but I'm usually not yet getting colder as a result.

In the Laser, I find myself less constrained and more mobile in a wetsuit, so I wear the wetsuit rather than the drysuit except on the coldest days.

You can spend $425 (list price for a non breathable Gill) to $880 (list price for a Kokatat) on a drysuit. You get more features (eg. relief zips, Gore-tex rather than latex rubber booties) when you spend more money.

So you have to decide what kind of sailing you are going to do in the drysuit (particularly how long you expect to wear it), how much you expect to sweat while wearing it, and how much you are prepared to spend.

If you look at used drysuits, check the seals and the zipper carefully. The seals breakdown over time. You could buy a used drysuit, blow a seal the first time you wear it, and then realize that all the seals need to be replaced. And waterproof zippers are expensive, and expensive to replace, so check that the zipper is working well and is in good condition.


SA#1
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Nov 3, 2005, 8:02 AM

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You can buy them at Sailing Pro Shop. Just click here www.sailinganarchy.com


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Nov 7, 2005, 2:13 AM

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>>I have a drysuit and do some dingy sailing over the winter months, however its not breathable. What happens is without breathable that you sweat for a period... then in down time you cool off and tend to stay cold as the previous sweat has nowhere to go. <<

Here's the gig, to stay warm in a non breathable drysuit you need a 'woolly bear' a one piece soft fleece undersuit. The important thing tho is to wear NOTHING under the woolly bear so that the fibres wick away any moisture as it appears on your your skin. Sure, when you take off the dry suit the woolly bear will be wet on the outside but you will be toasty warm and dry on the inside

An example... http://www.hammond-drysuits.co.uk/view_category.asp?cat=45






Can2728
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Nov 17, 2005, 6:21 AM

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I disagree… you want to wear a technical fabric under your fleece. Wearing a wicking fabric helps to move moisture away from your body and create more insulating space (air) between the layers. To take advantage of your breathable suit you must be wearing the proper cloths underneath. It is incredible how many people use their breathable gear but wear a cotton or wool shirt underneath.


hookinnhangon
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Nov 18, 2005, 8:53 AM

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Does a breathable suit really work?

It seems on most every breathable item I have - even plain, untreated nylon - , on and off the water, that my sweat condenses just as much. I realize that there is some vapor transmission, but it seems that particularly with thicker base layers that the moisture condenses when it hits the colder outer layer anyway.


SailingProShop
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Nov 23, 2005, 10:13 AM

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We have the Gill 8000 breathable suits available for $285 while supply lasts. Gill made a style change and these suits (previously $525) are on sale until the supply runs out along with a bunch of other Gill gear.
http://www.sailingproshop.com/gill05.htm

Mark Michaelsen
Sailing Pro Shop


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