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SailGroove
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Oct 6, 2008, 6:13 PM

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So the 5o knot Barrier has been broken....or has it? Some sailors might argue that a kitesurfer breaking the record doesn't count. Personally I think it does. I watched some of the action of the Luderitz Speed Challenge on SailGroove (www.sailgroove.org) and it showed me that these guys are just as much sailors as anyone out there on a volvo 70 etc.


yachtyakka
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Nov 12, 2008, 12:14 AM

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I would like to see some of these big rafts send some big numbers. The kites and windsurfers are great power to weight, however a large yacht at the same speed will be orrsomeCool
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The Publisher
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Dec 4, 2008, 2:36 PM

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Lots of comments following this post on Scuttleblog dated Nov. 21, 2008:

Things just got complicated… again. As kiteboarding evolved, and a focus was given to speed sailing, it was learned that the shallower the water, the faster their speed. Think air hockey, and how fast the puck travels on a thin layer of air. Or a skim board on the beach, floating on a thin layer of water. Same theory. With rumors of speed records being considered on swampy fields, the World Sailing Speed Record Council (WSSRC) stepped in mid year, and stated that a minimum water depth of 50 cm would be required for any speed record to be ratified. It is the WSSRC’s job to manage this part of the sport, and if they don’t ratify a speed run, it is not official.

With all the interest right now to break the 50 knot speed barrier on the official 500 meter course, and now that two kiteboarders have exceeded the mark last month at the Lüderitz Speed Challenge in Namibia (Sebastien Cattelan, 50.26 knots and Alexandre Caizergues, 50.57 knots), the International Sailing Federation (ISAF) has now decided that a “kite-powered craft” cannot be recognized as the holder of the Outright World Sailing Speed Record. The WSSRC works for ISAF, and while they have now ratified the 50.26 knot speed (and are working to ratify the 50.57 mark), all these guys can claim is that they are the fastest kiteboarders, and that these remarkable runs are not the overall fastest “performances under sail”.

Comments link: http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/...oarding-records.html




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Dec 4, 2008, 2:38 PM

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Dated 4th December 2008
From:
Rob Munro, Naish Africa

To:
Mr John Reed - Secretary to the WSSRC (World Speed Sailing Record Council)
Mr Pels - Secretary to ISAF (International Sailing Federation)


Dear Mr Reed / Mr Pels

Regarding your recent decision about Kite Sailing and the implementation of the Ground Effect rule.

It is clear that the methods employed by your Commissioner during the Luderitz Speed Challenge, Namibia, set a precedent regarding the measurement of the craft. Mr Michael Ellison produced the 15cm depth based on the Beam Width of our boards and the depth of our fins. However, he also measured other kiteboards which were not being used to compete and took the average of all boards at the event as it is clear that your organisation is unable to actually measure this so called "unfair advantage" properly and of course accurately.

So, by doing so, the World Sailing Speed Record Council (WSSRC) should now adopt this method and employ it to all craft undertaking WSSRC Record Challenges. We have taken data from the L'Hydroptere site and come up with the following, which is along the same lines as Mr Ellison's in Luderitz.

Her foils are 5.7m long and going with the same argumentation like the maximum width measurement on kite boards and windsurfers you would have to take the length of the foil as the maximum measurement for the lifting surface width as the trimaran could heel over in a gust. Other factors to consider for L'Hydroptere is the draft the foils run at as they bring the lifting foils closer to the ground. The maximum draft of Hydroptere is 3.6m, but riding on foils the craft is a lot higher. With the same line of worst case scenario thinking the maximum draft should be added to the minimum depth required. By our estimation L'Hydroptere should be sailing in a minimum of 6m water depth to fit into the minimum water depth rule.

To use the maximum beam of the craft which is 24m does not make sense from a technical point of view to calculate any influence by ground effect. The rest of the craft is not a lifting surface, not even in a worst case scenario. Sailing a boat of that size and those dimensions, we still think 6m depth would get our hearts racing, as grounding would have such fatal and expensive consequences. To make sure the boat has sailed in deep enough water it shouldn't be a problem to provide a depth sounder profile of the actual record run and to cross check with charts [and a reasonable margin]. However, if you do not have the Soundings for the actual run, they cannot show that the course sailed and claimed was actually valid. This is something you cannot simply sweep under the carpet.

You rules state:

"At the time of the run in question, the shallowest part of the course must be covered by water with a depth of at least half the static immersed beam of the craft involved, or 10cm, whichever is the greater."

According to your rules, the Static or Immersed beam would make Hydroptere's actual beam width about 24m creating a 12m depth minimum? Which is it? 6m or 12m?

As stated before, please supply the sailing world with the actual data for L'Hydroptere's Record runs and if you are not able to do so, please withdraw the world record and/or class records of L'Hydroptere with immediate effect. We further demand that all craft sailing under the WSSRC's guise should from this day forward be required to use depth sounders or other methods at the disposal of the Commissioners to ensure water depth is adhered to during each and every run. During the Luderitz speed Challenge, your commissioner used a tyre and a buoy, and although he stood at only one point of the course, he did cancel runs where he felt the water was too shallow.

As stated in the WSSRC's Constitution, section 4, part b (Duties.)

"To appoint International Commissioners to ensure fair play."

We demand you to act under your constitutional duty! It is totally unacceptable for your organisations to continue to treat Kite Sailors one way and all other craft differently. It is completely against the Fair Play rule set out in your constitution. If L'Hydroptere is not able to show the details of their foils and the depth of the waters during their record runs, their records are not VALID. If I was the former holder of the Nautical Mile World Record, Bjorn Dunkerbeck, I would certainly challenge the validity of L'Hydroptere's run as it is not conforming to the rules of the WSSRC.

It is a shame that some areas of the sailing world wish to cheat their way into the record books through trying to buy the Outright Record. Kite Sailors are currently the fastest craft in the World, both in Men's and Women's categories, we DO own the Outright Speed Sailing Record. Sebastien Cattelan was the first person to officially break through the 50knot barrier for the 500m Title, and Alex Caizergues went on to finish the fastest with 50.57kts! These are facts, nothing more, nothing less. All of our runs were vetted and watched by a WSSRC Commissioner and we played along to your ever changing rules being dictated to you by large yacht syndicates.

This is all about fairness and compliance, and so far we do not believe that your oganisation is providing accurate records, data or the employment of fair play.

Signed


Rob Munro

WSSRC website: http://www.sailspeedrecords.com/




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Dec 4, 2008, 2:41 PM

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Do you feel like kites should be considered for the outright record?

If so, here's a petition to sign: http://www.petitiononline.com/kite50kn/petition.html


yachtyakka
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Dec 4, 2008, 9:45 PM

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yep. anything that floats and has a sail, soft or hard to gain forward motion. from there its a question of division big boat, little boat, has a mast, has a kite, solo, crewed etc???
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Dec 8, 2008, 5:56 AM

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From Scuttlebutt 2739:

ISAF NOW ENDORSES KITEBOARDS FOR OUTRIGHT RECORD
It came as a shock when the World Sailing Speed Record Council (WSSRC) announced on November 20th, 2008 that the International Sailing Federation (ISAF) had decided at their 2008 Annual Meeting in November that a kite-powered craft could not be recognized as the holder of the outright world sailing speed record. Considering that in October, three kiteboarders had eclipsed the mythical 50 knot barrier, with their speeds endorsed then by WSSRC as the outright records, this ISAF ruling caught the kiteboard community off guard.

What followed was extensive debate, and now a reversal from ISAF with the December 7, 2008 announcement that they will now support a decision by the WSSRC to ratify a claim for the
Outright World Sailing Speed Record by a Kite-board. In accordance with this, the WSSRC announced the ratification of a new World Record:

Record: Outright World Sailing Speed Record.
Board: Fone Prototype Speed. Fone Bandit Dos Speed 7sq m kite.
Name: Alexandre Caizergues. FRA
Date: 4th October 2008
Start time: 15:35:00.84
Finish time: 15:35:20.06
Elapsed time: 19.22
Distance: 501 m
Current: 0.1 kts
Average speed: 50.57 kts
Venue: Luderitz, Namibia
Previous record: 2008. Sebastien Cattelan. 50.26 kts
WSSRC website: http://www.sailspeedrecords.com




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Dec 15, 2008, 6:37 AM

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I think ISAF needs a babysitter to keep them from screwing the pooch. Doesn't everyone smell their finger after they touch something to see if it smells like crap? The decision to block kites certainly was a stinker.


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