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Redress sacrificed on the almighty altar of television
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REDRESS SACRIFICED ON THE ALMIGHTY ALTAR OF TELEVISION
Most racing sailors will never experience a Medal Race, which was a feature introduced for the 2008 Olympics to maximize the relevancy of the final race of the event. The problem was that occasionally a sailor dominated their event, and would then use their throw-out and not sail the final race. How come, asked the worldwide media, could a sailor win a gold medal without leaving the dock, while every other Olympic event saw its medals decided at the end of competition?

The Medal Race was to be the fix. The plan required the top ten teams in the standings to advance to a single final race which could not be thrown out, and whose points earned would be double their finishing position. During the 2008 Games, the concept was not fully successful. In some instances the points were close, and it did decide the final medal winners. But some of the medals were still decided before the Medal Race, so it merely forced the podium winners to compete in the finale.

To further tweak the system, ISAF has recently changed Addendum Q in the Racing Rules of Sailing for specific events such as the Medal Race. Regarding the changes, International Judge Jos Spijkerman states, “The biggest change is that there's practically no redress for anything anymore. That means that if someone breaking a rule in Part 2, damages your boat and that makes you lose speed or even makes you leave the racecourse - there's no redress possible! I'm afraid that has been sacrificed on the almighty altar of television.

“The thinking in this is, that ideally the one sailing across the line first, should win first prize. But that would mean starting with a new score in the Medal Race. Everybody has a chance. Forgetting the previous eight or ten races. A lot of drama, a lot of tension and very good television. But, at this moment, this is even for ISAF one step too far. Looking at the 'trend' in the last decade, I think we will get there soon.”

Jos Spijkerman report: http://tinyurl.com/Addendum-Q
Addendum Q revision: http://tinyurl.com/ISAF-Addendum-Q


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OLYMPIC MEDAL RACE AND TELEVISION
By Paul Pascoe

Following the 2004 Olympics in Athens, Greece, where there was very little coverage of sailing, there were three requests made to ISAF from the TV Producers that led to the development of the Medal Race in sailing, and its introduction at the 2008 Olympic Games in Qingdao, China.

1) The first was that people only want to watch "finals", so TV are really only interested in televising the last race live, and sailing had previously scheduled several events final races at the same time. So the first request was to reschedule so that each final race was at a different time (easy done!).

2) The second request was that they wanted to see the winner of the Gold Medal cross the finish line in the final race, race their hands in triumph and celebrate as is the case in every other sport. The requirement was not that they win the race, but that they be on the race course and cross the line with the commentator saying things like "AUS needs to finish better than 4th to secure the Gold Medal", which is similar to what happens in the Decathlon where an athlete needs to "finish in under 4:15 to secure the Gold Medal". It was never a requirement from TV that the Gold goes to the winner of the medal race. This led to the change that you could not drop the last race.

3) The third requirement was that "we don't want to have to wait five hours for a protest hearing before we can pronounce the winner".

To accomplish this third request, direct on-water judging was proposed for the Medal Race. Obviously this is difficult in a fleet of 30 Lasers, so a manageable number of 10 for the final race seemed a reasonable compromise. However, that then meant that if a person was more than 10 points in front, they couldn't be beaten assuming a DNF was only 11 points, so there was lots of discussion regarding what should a DNF be scored, or if there should be some weighting on the Medal Race scores.

Yours truly went and rescored the previous three Olympics with one race to go, and in only one occasion (2004 470 Women) had a team been more than 20 points in front going into the last race. Triple points was a strong contender but it was felt that this would be difficult to get through politically. So double points was introduced and unfortunately as is always the case, at the 2008 Games another team (470 Men) finished more than 20 points in front, but were still required to sail the race which they did and duly won, so the TV guys were happy.

However, it had been decided that even though there was on-water judging, that competitors should still be allowed to submit a request for redress. And of course, there were duly two requests for redress on Medal Races in 2008, with one that could affect the medals in the 49er. So unfortunately for two events in 2008, the final results had to wait for protests, defeating the whole purpose of the exercise.

I believe the latest ISAF decision to deny redress (for specific events such as the Medal Race) is therefore just a push to try and get the results to be decided on the water rather than in the protest room, with results flashed up onto the screen immediately and not something that says "come back in three hours, or maybe tomorrow when we might have the results".


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Apr 22, 2010, 11:43 AM

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In response to Jos Spijkerman redress issue in #3076, may I differ with Jos unhappiness on deleting redress at the Medal Race in the Olympic sailing games. Studying other sports, and maybe someone will prove me wrong, I couldn't find redress given in any. How unjust it might seem in the Marathon if the leader is tripped on his last 10 meters to the finish after running more than 42 kilometers, be it by accident or let's make it more interesting, on purpose. There is no redress. No one will give him a medal. We all will mutter "tough life" and go on, so why should sailing be different; why not take away redress away altogether?

Respectfully

Zvi Ziblat IJ ISR





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Apr 22, 2010, 7:17 PM

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Hi Zvi,

I agree with you! Redresses can bring more problems than resolve them. The marathon situation happened on 2004 -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx1TDFV5Vhk No redress!

Cheers from Rio de Janeiro - Ricardo Lobato





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Apr 23, 2010, 11:21 AM

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Having seen a few medal races at World Champs and World Cups I would say that they are undoubtedly exciting. Unfortunately, they are also undoubtedly unfair.

1) The racing is very different with only ten boats, a shorter course and some players in the last places who have very little to lose.
2) One race is arbitrarily deemed more statistically significant yet occurs in only one condition.

There are also some unintended and unforseen consequences to the system. Rasmus Myrgren of Sweden entered the medal race in Lasers in second place and the only sailor who could possibly usurp Paul Goodison, the leader, for gold. Yet because of that he had less chance for a medal than the three guys behind him who couldn't win. That's because the leader only needed to crush him to insure gold. Rasmus would have been better off dropping a few points in the second to last race so he would be mathematically eliminated from winning. I expect that future sailors in a similar situation will do just that. Then the leader will have the gold wrapped up going into the medal race!

By the way, won't there always be recourse to redress through the Court for Arbitration for Sports or the courts?


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Apr 24, 2010, 3:16 AM

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I've started a poll on this issue:
Please visit http://rrsstudy.blogspot.com/...s-in-medal-race.html and cast a vote.
Interested in the Racing Rules? Go to http://rrsstudy.blogspot.com/





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Apr 27, 2010, 5:25 PM

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* From Ted Beier:
My contempt for ISAF continues to build. Numerous actions of theirs recently demonstrate that this organization has turned its back on the traditions of "the game", and become just another self-supporting commercial organization with little/no regard for the wishes and rights of competitors. Among them:

1. Removal of Category A in Regulation 20.
2. Removal of the middle classification in Regulation 19.
3. The secret agreement with Alinghi.
4. Failure to take action on the reported misbehavior on the AC race committee boat, and now
5. The absurd Appendix Q

Why are we "changing our game" to kowtow to commercial interests? I for one would rather pay several times more to keep the traditions of my sport, and steer clear of commercialism including the sponsorship monster of current times. Is there no concern for competitor's rights? Sailing should be run for the sailors and the rest of the world be damned.


* From Dan Mills, Santa Cruz, CA:
I think all these ideas to make sailing TV friendly (medal races, on the water judging, no protests, no redress, giant multihull match races, etc) are a lamentable perversion of the sport for no tangible benefit and considerable damage. I'm an avid sailor and racer, and I don't want to watch sailing on TV, beyond a few highlight reels, and I can't imagine why anyone else would want to either. Some things are just a lot more interesting (and fun) to do than they are to watch, and sailboat racing is one of them. Let's not make it less interesting just so more people will want to watch.


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* From Terry Bischoff, 55 year member of US SAILING:
My (race committee) team was the first team ever to run a Medal Race. We did this continuously at the Miami OCR through this January. When interviewed early on, I expressed my doubts as to the real benefits of the race. Sell more boats, get more people to watch sailing on TV?

How much of those goals has ISAF accomplished by sailing a silly little 25 minute race, at double points. Totally unfair when compared to our traditional Olympic racing techniques. Anyway, apparently many must feel this finale has great merit since it continues even with the latest negative procedure changes from ISAF.

ISAF has a very hidden agenda: keep sailing in the Olympics or most of the staff will have to go to work in the real world. They will continue that goal no matter how they turn a great sport upside down. As I've said for years, the U.S. needs to resign from two obsolete and terribly anti-productive organizations: the UN and ISAF.


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From Bruce Thompson:
With all the ado about the issues revolving around the RRS vs. the Stevens Act, I think a story from 1970 would be instructive. Why does sailing grant redress? How limited should it be? How does one earn it?

Back in the spring of 1970 my team competed at Navy in the America's Trophy Regatta for the right to qualify for what was then the ICYRU dinghy championship. Our team was in the thick of it, a bit behind N Y Maritime led by their All American skippers Rick Meyerrose and Art Messenger (Gary Jobson was on the Maritime second team then, you can look it up http://www.collegesailing.org/...ll_American_List.xls).

Late in the regatta a nasty front approached. As I neared the leeward mark, it started howling. So here I was with a nice lead suddenly planing at 12-15 knots at a solid steel breakwall with about 100 yards between the mark and the wall and an extremely difficult jibe ahead. Straight ahead was out. Luffing sharply was an option, but I didn't have much chance to look over my shoulder to see if someone had gotten the gust first and was right now charging onto my quarter, so that if I luffed he would T-bone me. The best alternative seemed to be to carry on with the original game plan and jibe and take my knockdown. I'd grown up racing Sailfish, which is like a Sunfish except a full foot narrower and with much less freeboard. Jibing a Sailfish in high winds is like jibing a log with a sail. I had lots of experience in capsizing while jibing!

So I had my crew hike really hard to leeward, while I hiked really hard to windward. As we got to the mark, I turned really hard while my crew scrambled onto the new windward side as we capsized. We ended up knocked down, but in the "safety position" with my crew drywalking onto the board while I swam around to join him. I obviously was far too busy to watch the competition, but it seems that such a dramatic crash-and-burn right in front of them encouraged them to try a 270 degree "jibe" by tacking. It was at this point, while still leading the race, that the safety boat arrived and they grabbed my masthead!

Now it is very, very hard to be mad at someone dedicated to helping you and rushing to fulfill Rule Number One in the RRS, but they had just rendered unrequested outside assistance. The only course of action, given that I knew I had broken a rule, was to immediately retire. So I was forced to retire while leading and in the process of self-rescuing because of an action of the Race Committee. I was bummed out to say the least, figuring that I may have blown our team's chance to qualify for the Big Show.

I knew I had to throw myself on the mercy of the jury and ask for redress. They awarded me average points, which was something in the third to fifth range, I don't remember precisely. The difference between RET and average points was enough for us to finish second and qualify.

There are no villains in this story, only sportsmen. I have always appreciated what that jury and the safety boat did for me. I am proud to be a safety boat driver myself (among other things) still today, 40 years later. That is why things are the way they are, or at least ought to be.




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