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Play By The Rules Or Lose Your Wine
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Apr 21, 2010, 5:19 PM

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PLAY BY THE RULES OR LOSE YOUR WINE
By Owen Muyt, guest commentator

I can relate to what Chris Laborde (in Scuttlebutt 3074) had to say about infringements and competitors getting away with a situation if no one else saw the infringement despite repeated calls to do turns.

The situation arose during this summer in a mixed sport boat regatta that had a range of classes all sailing under handicap. It was a typical port/ starboard call with us in a smaller SB3 on starboard, against a much larger and faster Melges 24. And putting us into a situation where we had no choice but to dip sharply to avoid hitting amidships. It was a classic case of throwing out the rule book and no courtesy shown, especially as we started hailing three boat lengths away at the time.

The very young owner/skipper of the Melges did not even acknowledge our calls and our flying of the protest flag, and only blank stares from his crew on the rail. And you guessed it, not another boat in sight at the time. And so they motored on. I watched them for minutes later and feeling very pissed about the whole matter. I finally lost them when the fleet merged together and we were on the layline several minutes later. And still no bloody turns from the Melges.

Back at the club house when they were calling out the results for the weekend, the whole episode came flooding back. When first, the boat and the skipper in question won their division. And then collected several bottles of wine and a trophy. And then again backed that up by coming third overall in the regatta. More trophies and more bottles of red. Well that final result topped it for me. Especially seeing this cocky 17yr old thinking he is the ants pants to the yachting world and surrounded by half a dozen bottles of very good red wine that he can't legally even drink.

So I took matters into my own hands and very casually walked up to his table and his crew and introduced myself. And then stated that by all rights we should still be in the protest room - right this minute - instead of enjoying his moment of glory. And that in hindsight, his was a very false victory, and he owed us big time, especially my skipper.

With some subtle body talk and a persuading voice, I told him that payback was one of his bottles of wine. A couple of feeble protests from his adult crew followed, but I did not budge an inch and held his gaze. He started to select a bottle after breaking my gaze. But I already knew what I wanted from his booty as a strolled over, and I just casually grabbed a certain Cabernet Sauvignon that had taken my eye, saying how this one will do fine.

Some big sighs were heard from the adults. I thanked him and walked off, and presented our consolation prize to my skipper and told him to enjoy. He just shook his head. I toasted him, and grinned. Payback is hell I said. I just hope the kid learned his lesson though. Please just play by the rules, especially when it can have a bad result in a big way.


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Apr 21, 2010, 5:23 PM

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* From Peter Kremlick:
Owen Muyt may have had his wine but he sure missed an opportunity to teach a young smarty pants what it really means to be a rule abiding competitor. Why was there no protest filed? The assertion that no other boats saw such a gross infraction is hardly an excuse to not follow the rules or not file a protest. Different classes - so what!

By not following the infraction to the proper solution Mr Muyt has reinforced the young man's notion that he can just bluster his way through a fleet. The next time the lad tries such a stunt someone could get hurt. Live (and die) by the rules regardless!


* From Chris Simon IU, IJ:
Owen Muyt may have compensated his skipper by procuring a bottle of wine from the ‘winner’ under the racing rules, but how did he compensate all the other competitors who might have received a bottle of wine if he had protested the Melges?


* From Jim Linville:
Owen, you should have protested. Period! It is your duty to the sport. It simply isn't enough to badger someone who you think should have done the turns or whatever. If you don't protest and take it to the room or if you don't see turns done pretty darned quickly, then you just aren't serious about it. Wine is nice, but it doesn't count, especially only one bottle (Wait, was it a Lynch Bages 1968? If so forget it, you made a good deal).

By the way, if you didn't get the flag up promptly (first reasonable opportunity) you lose. Check the appeals; going below to get the flag loses you the protest. I have this discussion with folks I sail with: Ask where the protest flag is, and if the answer is "below" then you are sailing for fun and you've made up your mind ahead of time that you can't protest. If you intend to defend your rights, have the flag in the skipper's pocket, the tacticians pocket or furled on a shroud or the vang. If it is anywhere else, you won't get to it fast enough and you'll lose.

Remember, the boat you are protesting isn't required to spend much time staring at your boat to see if the flag is flown: they have the right to get on with their race and not be looking through the binoculars while you search for the flag. The good news is that if you get the flag up promptly and they don't start doing turns "as soon after the incident as possible" then you aren't required to stare at them for a long time either: you get to get on with your race and if you protest they are out, assuming the situation you described.

Bottom line, if you took more than 10 or 15 seconds to get the flag up, you owe the kid his bottle of wine - he thought you were just yelling and weren't serious. If you were prompt with the flag and didn't protest, he owes you nothing. Still, it's a nice story, and I'll bet the wine tasted great!



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Apr 23, 2010, 6:42 AM

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* From Paul P. Nardone, Jr:
A comment about Owen Muyt's decision to take the protest into his own hands is unsportsmanlike like. Either put the protest flag up, call for turns, or protest the other boat in the room or just sail on and don't dwell on it. To be a bully and take someone's trophy is totally unsportsmanlike like and he should disqualify himself under Rule # 1


* From Charles Smith:
In regards to the article PLAY BY THE RULES OR LOSE YOUR WINE by Owen Muyt, we all can relate to what we believe are infringements and competitors getting away with a situation if no one else saw the infringement despite repeated calls to do turns. But we keep patting ourselves on the back and bragging about how our sport is "self policing". One of the downsides to that is that it is self policing. You get to be a policeman and prosecuting attorney.

Instead of a penalty of one bottle of wine being confiscated or stolen, depending on your point of view, out of several that were awarded, somebody should have cowboyed up and put in the protest and waited for the hearing and given evidence and kept the crew sober enough to testify and put up with the peer pressure from the rest of the fleet to let it go so we can have prize giving.

Who wanted to be a cop anyways? We all have to make the not socially insignificant effort to enforce the rules. Even if you lose the protest due to lack of witnesses I'll bet that the hotshot will think a little longer next time about tacking or ducking. And if not then maybe somebody else will pull on their big girl panties and get him into the room. Sooner or later he has to learn. We are self policing and therefore we get the rules observance we deserve.


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Apr 27, 2010, 5:15 PM

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Scuttlebutt 3078

* From Tom Donlan:
There were several comments last week about the importance of doing circles when you know you've fouled. Epitomizing the principle was the story of golfer Bobby Jones calling a penalty on himself for an infraction nobody else saw. It is a principle more cherished than honored in these sorry modern times.

Separately, there were several comments on the story of the Melges 24 that wouldn't yield to a starboard tacker, but gave the right-of-way boat a bottle of wine after the race. Jim Linville was one who criticized the right-of-way boat for failing to protest. Jim also noted that it's imperative to fly a protest flag immediately--just yelling will cause you to lose the protest, no matter how right you are.

I think that these two stories are linked: If protest committees throw out all protests in which no flag is flown, many sailors will not do circles until they see a flag. Most people are not Bobby Jones; they will not accept a reduced penalty unless threatened with a greater one. The rules-writers either should change the sportsmanship rule or the flag rule. Adopt "no flag, no foul" as an explicit rule, or instruct juries to stop asking about flags and ask "did you notify the other boat?"

Or we can just keep yelling at each other and not enforcing the rules.


* From Howard D. Paul:
I believe the issue of self policing goes a lot deeper than you should do your turns or you need to fly a flag and notify a boat of its infraction. It goes to what was known as Corinthian spirit. Not so many years ago I saw Jim Kilroy (the owner of the many maxi Kioloa’s) having a drink. I went over and introduced myself. I explained how I had read about his campaigns when I was in my youth and an aspiring sailor. He was very gracious and invited me to sit down and we talked for quite a while.

The next night was our Wednesday night race. The boat in front of me was on port and I saw a boat coming in on starboard. They were headed for a classic port-starboard. Moments later I heard the call “Gentleman, Starboard.” Yes, the call came from Mr. Kilroy. In some 40+ years of sailing I have never heard this before or since. I fear the days of the Corinthian spirit are gone forever. Our sport would be well served if we returned to our roots of Corinthian yachting.



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* From Manfred C. Schreiber:
Howard D. Paul wrote about Jim Kilroy calling out: "Gentlemen Starboard". It immediately brought back the memory when the late Georg Nowka, GER (Bronze medal at the Helsinki Games in the Dragon class) gave me an example of the same attitude at 20sec to T in my first ever keelboat race: "Raum bitte". Which clearly meant "luff up" and made me overearly. I wasn´t used to this gentle tone in the dinghy class and it made me to react accordingly. It was the polite but determined tone which since then stuck in my ear. These are examples of how we should behave for a better sport and giving a good example to the youth sailors to take it into the next generation. Not always easy in the heat of the battle but please, gentlemen in the upper age league, help set the tone on the race course.


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Apr 27, 2010, 5:16 PM

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* From Dan Knox:
I enjoyed Owen Muyt entry PLAY BY THE RULES OR LOSE YOUR WINE (#3075) but with all due respect to Mr. Muyt he needs to look in the mirror to see who is responsible for things like this continuing to occur. There are many of us out there that for some reason just can’t seem to raise that Protest Flag, no matter how appalling the foul. It is really a foul if you are not protested? Do you think by not protesting people will learn? We have all been at the yacht club bar after a race and heard the talk about so and so fouled me again but unless you actually protest the offending boat you can’t assume that anything is going to change. Protesting someone is not in any way unsporting. In fact some would argue that the very nature of our rules depends on protesting. Not only do you hurt yourself by not protesting you hurt the other competitors. I am sure Mr. Muyt and his fellow crew members enjoyed that bottle of wine but really it was not for them, it belonged to the crew of the boat that was scored behind the boat with the young sailor and his crew.

When someone get a DSQ posted as a score up on the board it gives them a big incentive to learn the rules and do their turns. Every sailor that has ever raced has fouled someone and so we all tend to give people a bit of slack but unless you protest someone when they break a rule you are sailing a hazardous course when you suggest that their actions were not in the best interest sailing.

BTW just to set the record straight I have done exactly the same thing many times as Mr. Muyt so I’m part of the problem too.




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Apr 27, 2010, 5:17 PM

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* From Alix Shaw:
Isn’t this as much your fault as his? By not protesting him, you are leaving the kid with the lesson that he can get away with this behavior which teaches him to continue. We are a self-governing sport but we have a response (the protest) for those who don’t properly govern themselves.


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* From Rod Glover:
The recent series of emails discussing competitors who did not "do their turns" all had one thing in common. No one protested! I am sorry, but that is a part of the process. It should be treated as a normal aspect of competition, and should not lead to hard feelings or animus.

Let’s be clear on two things. First, no one is obligated to do a 720 because someone shouted something unintelligible at them. They are only required to do a 720 when THEY believe they have committed a violation. Second, in over 20 years as a judge, almost every ROW protest I heard had two parties presenting two irreconcilable stories, often with diametrically opposed "facts." In most cases both parties were being honest, and felt they were in the right.

The hardest part of being a judge is not applying the rules, it is determining the facts. Experienced judges find it hard to determine the facts, even after hearing extended testimony from numerous witnesses. How accurate is the average sailor likely to be when they decide that someone has committed a violation after briefly viewing an incident, often from a distance. It is absolutely amazing how much perspective can change the apparent "facts." Most people, who someone may feel committed a violation, honestly do not feel they did. In many cases they are right. Yes, there are some who deliberately commit flagrant fouls, thinking they can get away with them, but they are in the minority. In such cases, the obvious remedy is to file a protest.

No one is required to file a protest, but if they do not, and thus do not give the alleged "offender" the opportunity to defend themselves in a hearing, that should end the matter. It is the height of unsportsmanlike conduct to walk around telling others that "so and so" "fouled", or was guilty of a breach of conduct by not doing a 720, when "so and so" was never given the chance to defend their actions in a hearing.

During almost 20 years of competing in the Thistle Class, I could count the total protests in which I had been involved on my fingers. I found that becoming involved in a protest badly distracted me from the race at hand. Though in the right, this hurt my race and punished me. I avoided potential situations, and ignored minor infractions, which was my right, but I did not then discuss them later. I taught my junior students and Sears teams that if they were in a possible protest situation, and did not choose to file, that ended the matter. Any further discussion was unsportsmanlike.

If you honestly feel someone has fouled you, and you wish to make those feelings known, it is perfectly acceptable to inform them you are protesting them, fly your flag, and then later, if you wish, decide not to file. Some may disagree with me on this, but at least they know you feel they have committed a violation, and can make their own decision on a 720. If you decline to file, that should end it. However, be clear. If you do not honestly believe someone has committed a violation, it is not acceptable to shout protest to intimidate them, or force them into an unnecessary 720. I know sailors that do this, and in my opinion, it is a violation of both rule 2 (fair sailing), and in some cases, rule 69 (gross misconduct)

I have sympathy for Chris LaBorde. Members of his Thistle Class operate as an extended family, generally sail clean, do their turns when they err, and seldom end up in hearings. I can remember judging four Thistle Midwinters in a row without one ROW protest. In such groups, flagrant behavior is quite distressing. In some cases, I have seen on-the-water judges warned of potential flagrant behavior, and sometimes they are able to deal with it. This is rare, however, and not a real solution, Unfortunately, general discussion, such as this one in Scuttlebutt are unlikely to change the behavior of people who commit flagrant violations and sail blithely on. It is not in their nature to be bothered. It is worthwhile, however, to lecture new sailors on the fact that a violation unobserved, is still a violation, and that they have an obligation.

In time, people who are observed by all to not abide by the rules, are likely to find themselves unwelcome. However, this should never occur as a result of rumor, innuendo, or gossip at the after race parties. The simple fact is that if you observe unacceptable behavior, your one recourse is to file a protest. If you decline to do so that should end the matter.


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Apr 27, 2010, 5:18 PM

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* From Marc Fountain:
I’m one of those who raced happily (and occasionally very successfully) every weekend for 15 years on San Francisco Bay and then landed on the fence due to emerging poor sportsmanship across almost all of the classes I raced in (from 14’ to 57’) and loss of respect for my competitors in general. I’m now a beercan sailor and enjoy being on the water regularly but racing against cheats remains unappealing so I choose not to do so.

Some observations from outside the fishbowl:
At the bottom of the cesspool, as the right-of-way boat under the current rules, you must actually have some kind of collision in order to prove that a collision was unavoidable. In the absence of witnesses, judges or sportsmanship you must prove that a collision was unavoidable in order to have a good chance of winning a right-of-way protest. Gelcoat or paint damage doesn’t lie and everything else is ultimately just words. Muyt says the collision would have been amidships. If Muyt on starboard had attempted to avoid the port tack boat who was ignoring the rules and just barely not made it by heading up in the last few seconds, attempting to avoid contact but having a some kind of a bump ­ that scrape would have changed the outcome of the regatta for the better. Sorry, but the incentive to do that is built in to the current racing rules.

The racing rules were changed about 20 years ago to remove the onus and that is the root cause of this sportsmanship problem. It used to be that the burdened boat had the onus (obligation) to prove that she had not violated a right-of-way rule. If the right-of-way boat put up a flag and filed a protest then the burdened boat had to show up with overwhelming contrary evidence. If she couldn’t prove a non-violation in the protest room then she was tossed out of the race. The natural consequence was that the burdened boats tended not to push right-of-way situations as described by Laborde and Muyt. Knowing that you had a 95% chance of being tossed from the race was powerful incentive to duck or lee-bow a starboard boat or keep well clear of a leeward boat.

Today the odds are pretty much 50/50 that you will not be penalized as the burdened boat if you simply ignore the rules and sail on and there is no actual contact. There is no incentive in the current rules to do the right thing so those who wish to win at all costs have the blessing of the rule-making organizations in sailing to do so.

Who do we reach out to to change this situation? ISAF? USSailing? Dave Perry? Dick Rose? These and others are the architects of the current rules and perhaps they can be informed about the consequences they may not have envisioned and influenced to try something differently in the future.


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* From Mike Jablonski:
All of the letters about the port-starboard situation and the lack of a protest to enforce the rules remind me of a situation that happened to me many years ago. A couple of would-be hot dogs sailing a J-24 (when they first came out) thought that it really was a rocket ship. They were on port and about to try to cross my starboard tack Morgan 27 and were not going to make it. When they did not fall off or tack at my hail, I was forced to fall behind them and I protested them.

At the protest hearing, they said that I should have held my course. I responded that if I had, they would have two J-12s instead of a J-24 (a bit of an exaggeration, but the damage to their boat would have been major) if my 7500 lb. Morgan 27 hit their 3000 lb. J-24 amidships. They lost the protest, were disqualified, and were very verbally unhappy.

A few weeks later they were coming on port toward another Morgan 27 on starboard and were not going to make it clear across again. This time however, the skipper (familiar with the previous situation), who was sitting and steering on the low side, did not even bother to hail them and moved to steer from the high side, where he could not see them through the overlapping genoa. When they realized that he was not going to take any evasive action, they made the world’s fastest tack and just made it underneath the starboard M-27. They again were not very happy, but they were a lot more careful in crossing starboard tack boats (especially Morgan 27s) for the rest of the season and in future seasons.


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* From Art Karpf, New Rochelle, NY:
I remember the 1950 edition of Larchmont Race Week, when only one-designs competed. One race a day on two weekends and the weekdays between them (except for Junior Day on Wednesday). Faster classes went off first sailing longer courses, but all classes had to round a mark about 1/2 mile to leeward of the finish line, to ensure that everyone finished to windward.

Halfway up that short weather leg, a 9-year-old was skippering his Penguin with his younger sister as crew. Sailing on starboard tack, he saw a sleek green IOD sloop approaching on port tack, so he called out, "Starboard tack" as he had been taught. The silver-haired skipper of the IOD looked to leeward, saw the Penguin and replied, "Hold your course, son" and dipped down to duck the Penguin.

That 9-year-old sailor was astounded, and after the race couldn't stop talking about the crossing. To think that the great Corny Shields had ducked his stern! That's the way gentlemen sailed in those days. (And no, I was not that kid, but I was 6 years older and sailing my Penguin just a few yards from them.)


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