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Developing the RAD 420
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R. Van der Meer
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Aug 3, 2009, 2:21 PM

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Introducing the RAD 420 (Reduced Area sail Design 420)


Goal
The RAD 420 was designed to fill the void in many Junior Sailing Programs, that gap between Opti and C420. Many programs have had a hard time keeping and engaging junior sailors who are either becoming too big physically, getting lonely, getting bored or have just lost interest in skippering an Opti. Historically, sailing programs had three boats to transition to as the kids developed: first a Sabot, Pram or Dyer Dow and now Opti; then the initial simple and affordable crewed boats (Blue Jays, etc.); then the premium race boats, now the C420.

Edgartown Yacht Club (Edgartown, MA) as well as many other clubs have tried to fill this gap, but have had little luck finding a suitable solution. Faced with a terrible economy and no clear momentum for any one class, we decided to reengineer/modify our older C420s in hopes of designing a new class that would be affordable, easy to adapt, and fun for the kids. We started with a reduced sail plan that got two to three kids sailing the boat without trapeze and or spinnaker (although instructors have let the kids try it all for fun challenges). The Main Sail design is about 28% smaller, has a loose foot for easier rigging and launching, and doesn’t use a full length batten to help in depowering. We decided to keep the existing Jib design as to not create another purchase requirement.

Performance
The design was tested both in San Francisco Bay and Martha’s Vineyard where it showed great handling by light crews (150lbs) in 15 knots. In light winds and heavier crews (3 kids 230lbs), the boat remained very responsive.

The main concern, after the ability to handle a breeze, was the balance of the boat. The good news was that the standard Jib didn’t over-power the boat or drive it off the wind. Its pointing characteristics were marginally affected and noticeable by only the most experienced C420 sailors. We did experiment with raking the mast back a bit and that worked well but felt it almost wasn’t needed.

The Program
While several Yacht Clubs have been working with the sail including St Francis, and Edgartown, we went into full swing. EYC has an Opti program for 8-to 11 year olds, then offers the 12 to 14 year old sailors a choice of continuing on to the Opti Race Team or transitioning into the RAD 420 program, with the older teens sailing in the C420. Based on the easy maneuverability and ease between the Opti/RAD transition, we believe that the RAD could be an option for 11 year olds as well.

Results
The Junior Sailors loved the RAD! Almost all the kids wanted to get back out on the water and sail more. Many of the Opti kids who opted not to sail the RAD were asking to go into the RAD program mid-season. Light weather and heavy air alike, big smiles were seen across all kids. Throughout the season, parents kept coming in and saying how much their kids just loved sailing now.

We had sailors rotate skipper and crew positions throughout the season in order to get experience of working as a team and understanding the different roles on a boat. While we did play with the trapeze and the kids did like this option, there was general consensus to keep it simple and focus on sailing. The whole program seems to be the perfect next step between Optis and C420.

Edgartown Yacht Club Race Week.
The RAD class debuted at Edgartown Regatta with their own class start. It was a tremendous success. The seven boats that were registered sailed in 15 to 20 knots the first day, down to virtually no wind the second day and sailed in a moderate breeze of 5 to 12 knots on the final day. Good progress in the boats was shown by all sailors. Capsizes were at a minimum even in the heavy breezes. Many clubs have inquired and are looking into the design for next season.

The Future
We expect a few more clubs will launch a program in the coming season and that many more will experiment with the RAD 420. We think that The RAD is not only great for Junior Sailing, but for yacht club budgets, and most importantly for the kids who seem to love the new challenge. It is a brilliant way to use the older C420s and continue building on the success of this boat to develop skilled, well rounded and happy sailors.


For further information on the Edgartown YC program please contact; Roland Van der Meer at roland.vandermeer@gmail.com, or 650 325 9600.
For further information on purchasing or trialing the RAD 420 sails please contact; Jim Myers at Intensity Sails, Intensitysails@mac.com



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Wes Oliver
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Aug 3, 2009, 6:41 PM

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You've missed the Pixel, the Bruce Kirby design that is now established in Long Island Sound as the successor to the Blue Jay. It is a new design with high end performance to rival a 420 but well behaved with a younger, lighter crew of 2 or 3. There are 200 boats now sailing in programs from Maine to Michigan, and the kids love them! Dimensionally similar to the 420, the Pixel is lighter, has a more stable, easily driven hull shape, cockpit free of tanks and knee-bangers, carbon spar and is much easier than a 420 for a young crew to right after a capsize. Yes, greater expense than a tired old 420, but the Pixel is a boat your kids can grow with. See our website at www.sailpixel.com and come see us at the Newport and Annapolis Boat Shows this fall. Demo sails are welcomed!


R. Van der Meer
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Aug 3, 2009, 8:52 PM

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We really didn't miss the Pixel. We think the boat is a nice design, but given the economy and the huge base of 420's, it was a no brainer decision. A couple hundred dollars and an easy adoption for junior programs. This has been a great solution. There may be a better long term solution, but all the clubs who are trying this seem to love it.


Wes Oliver
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Aug 4, 2009, 4:25 AM

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The use of a small mainsail on a 420 has been around for some years. In 2005, the Junior Sailing Association of Long Island Sound tested that rig against the Pixel. At the conclusion, the unanimous decision was that the Pixel was the better alternative. The 420 was still a heavy boat which younger sailors had difficulty to right after a capsize. The Pixel, with it's lighter weight and lighter rig was easier to handle, and the open transom and dry cockpit when righted was a major advantage. The young sailors also liked the quickness of the Pixel and had no difficulty righting the boat.


broheme
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Aug 4, 2009, 5:25 AM

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So you have taken an already underpowered boat, that was depowered to begin with (remember the International 420 anyone?) and made it even less exciting? I don't really follow the logic at all. If anything, clubs should be finding a way to jettison the 420 from the programs altogether. They are boring for kids, and heavy to boot.


R. Van der Meer
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Aug 4, 2009, 5:43 AM

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This will be my last post to this point. Since we already gave the Pixel due credit, I think you missed the point. As we stated initially it is really fun for the kids and it is almost a non budget item for Yacht Clubs.


Wes Oliver
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Aug 4, 2009, 5:55 AM

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No, I didn't miss your point. A new mainsail is certainly less costly than a new boat. And Junior Sailors will sail what you offer for them. My point is that a depowered, less stable 420 is still an intimidating boat for a 12 year old when it capsizes, and when the breeze is light it doesn't go. The new mainsail IS a no brainer if the only consideration is cost. If you add confidence and competence building and fun to the equation, the depowered 420 pales in comparison to the Pixel, as has been demonstrated over the last 4 years in Long Island Sound. Better sailors are migrating to 420's from the Pixel.


Optiguytom
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Aug 4, 2009, 6:58 AM

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The Pixel is an awesome boat and if your program can aford new boats, it seems the best choice for 2 young sailors.

When I see quotes like this "Many of the Opti kids who opted not to sail the RAD were asking to go into the RAD program mid-season. Light weather and heavy air alike, big smiles were seen across all kids. Throughout the season, parents kept coming in and saying how much their kids just loved sailing now." I have to cringe. Kids will gravitate to and have fun wherever you place the emphasis and you have obviously done that with the RAD.... and more power to you! If the kids are not loving the Opti they aren't being challenged and not having fun often due to the the enthusiasm and quality of the instructors. Does a kid who learned to sail in an Opti at 7 or 8 need a change to keep them into sailing? Many do and that's what makes the RAD a real winner. For low cost you can introduce kids who may fall by the wayside (albeit a great instructor should be able to keep kids in Optis until most age or size out).

So variety, challenge, but most of all FUN is key to keeping kids into sailing. Pixel, RAD, big boats, a super Opti program.... it doesn't matter as long as we can retain these guys!


chris_bulger
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Aug 5, 2009, 10:22 AM

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As a former junior sailor in the 70's who has now had 3 junior sailors go thru Opti's and 420's, I don't believe you need another boat or rig to address attrition. My twin girls collected a lot of trophies on Narragansett bay in Opti's, then quit the sport in favor of running (they continue to collect trophies) because they found all the Opti adults suffocating and wanted a sport where they could literally run away and be self sufficient with other kids. My son sailed 420 with minimal enthusiasm and similar results - until he was introduced to a 29er - a boat that is too fast for a coach boat to keep up and where very few adults can offer any advice. We can't pry him out of the boat and he jst took second at the 29er East Coast Championships.

Kids want to hang out with kids - not adults. Kids want to socialize and sailing eats more hours than any other sport - so its gotta be fun. Kids (old and young) want to be cool and go really fast.

You want to reduce the drop-out rate - here's my advice: 1. Make Saturday Dances mandatory at regattas and hide the chaperons 2. Ban coach boats in favor of crash boats at Opti Events 3. Ban coaches and parents from rigging areas at 420 and Opti events before and after racing - except for Green Fleet who should have its own area 4. Play the video of the 2009 29er worlds 24x7 in your club house. Problem solved.

Then take the money that you were going to spend on yet another youth toy and buy yourself a V15 or Lightening to show the kids that dinghy sailing is for life!


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