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Deed of Gift match for 33rd America's Cup 		Team McLube

 
 


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Apr 26, 2009, 6:28 AM

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(Apr. 23, 2009) - Alinghi rejected a proposal from BMW Oracle Racing on Thursday for a traditional America's Cup race in monohull boats, saying it was preparing to race the American challenger in multihulls as soon as May 2010. The first meeting between the rival Swiss and American teams to negotiate the terms for a 33rd edition of sailing's classic ended in discord. Alinghi says the race should be held as soon as possible rather than in 2011. It also called on BMW Oracle to invite other teams to take part. -- SF Chronicle, read on: http://tinyurl.com/ACUP-Discord



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Apr 26, 2009, 6:31 AM

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Posted on Scuttleblog are images from Carlo Borlenghi, who was at the April 23, 2009 meeting to record the discord. Also posted are statements from SNG and GGYC: http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/blog/2009/04/april-23-verdict.html

Don’t be surprised when the lawyers get involved again, as these teams are not going to agree on an event date. As was reported by Cory Friedman in Scuttlebutt, “Thus, we are exactly where we were on May 12, 2008, when Justice Cahn ruled that the match be ten months later in Valencia or any other venue chosen by SNG upon six months prior notice to Golden Gate Yacht Club (GGYC).” From the April 2009 Court of Appeals decision, ten months would put the race in February 2010. However, Alinghi now wants the race in May 2010. Do you think that BMW Oracle will give the Swiss three additional months to prepare? Me neither.

- Craig Leweck, Scuttlebutt


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Apr 26, 2009, 6:35 AM

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From Bob Billingham (USA), who in 1988 won an Olympic silver medal in the Soling competition at the Olympic Games as a crewman for John Kostecki. In 1991-1992, he was the mainsheet trimmer aboard America's Cup winner America3.

What a bummer, the two captains of industry - Larry Ellison and Ernesto Bertarelli - couldn't work something out to keep 80% of the America’s Cup teams viable and their sailors and shore teams employed. It just seems selfish and ignorant of the big picture health of the event, doesn't it?

Who at Alinghi condones Brad Butterworth's no-sh@t Sherlock quotes and sound bites? How can they possibly think his comments enhance the syndicate's reputation? "It is time to just get out there and have the regatta and get on with it," and “In these financial times, it's just a waste if we don't use them”. What sensitive and compassionate comments to make as all the ex-AC crews are signing up for unemployment checks!! I think Brad is great sailor and has one of the best poker faces in the AC game but for god's sake, but keep the microphone away from him.

Well, it’s not going to be boring - is it? Watching 90x90 footers bearing off around the ends of the starting line to dip in and converge. Let's see, multi hulls like to accelerate when they bear away, right? Can you imagine the speeds these suckers are going to come at each other in 20 knots of wind? And how about the dial up? That's going to be cool, eh? What happens when one of them augers in a hull or two, the ass-end lifts up, stops and then pops back in again - good way of trapping the overtaking boat into a foul? Do you think they'll practice that move? At what point in the pitch pole does a competing yacht become an obstacle?

Did Alinghi say they welcomed other competitors in the Deed of Gift (DOG) match? How's that work? Let's dust off the Playstation, whack off a few feet of hull and have a go. For sure the French have a few big hairy, multi-hulls lying around that could brought to the game. Those offshore beasts will probably survive a good collision a whole better that Ellison’s eggshell.

BuddhaBob's suggestions for DOG match rules:
- No top end wind strength or wave height limit.
- Starting line is three boat widths long.
- Ok to use instant replay for umpires to make the call (after all it’s going to go down fast).
- Capsize once and you lose the match.
- Helmet cams required on at least half the crewmen, mandatory for bowman (god knows a photo boat won't be able to keep up).
- In the event of a tie - winner is decided by a liferaft inflating competition.
- If hulls of opposing yachts pass over each other vertically without contact - no foul - no airspace right of way.
- All verbal communication aboard the competing yachts must be conducted in any language except French.
- Winner required to change DOG to require match to be held in the future as a three-laser team race crewed by lawyers.




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Apr 26, 2009, 7:14 AM

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From Mike Titgemeyer:

Am I the only ones that loves the SNG follow-up press release? Basically saying, GGYC/BOR, we think a Multi Challenger event is a great idea, let’s get more big cats built and invite others to the challenger series in 90 x 90 DoG Multi-hulls. Brilliant move… best one I have seen by SNG/ EB. Total port tack of LE/GGYC/BOR, anyone think GGYC/BOR expected that one?


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Apr 26, 2009, 10:36 AM

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Comments posted in Scuttleblog: https://www.blogger.com/...238&isPopup=true

- Craig Leweck, Scuttlebutt


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Apr 27, 2009, 1:05 PM

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From Bob Billingham (USA), who in 1988 won an Olympic silver medal in the Soling competition at the Olympic Games as a crewman for John Kostecki. In 1991-1992, he was the mainsheet trimmer aboard America's Cup winner America3.

What a bummer, the two captains of industry - Larry Ellison and Ernesto Bertarelli - couldn't work something out to keep 80% of the America’s Cup teams viable and their sailors and shore teams employed. It just seems selfish and ignorant of the big picture health of the event, doesn't it?


It is not my place, or anyone else's to tell Ernesto Bertarelli or Larry Ellison how to spend their money. This is not a government program, or any sort of mandated spending. This is what these two do for fun. It's not how I might choose to spend my money, but I don't have the resources to put together the types of campaigns that are needed today to play the game. I would suggest that as soon as you can afford a campaign at this level, you can do whatever you would like to keep "80% of the America's Cup teams viable" - charity is almost always appreciated. This is one of the problems we have with the US Government today - everyone feels entitled to someone else's money. I'm sure there are people who work for UBS or Oracle that are currently out of work as well, that feel like Larry or Ernesto somehow owe them a job, but the fact is that they don't, and to imply anything else is just plain silly.

"Who is John Galt?"


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Jul 18, 2009, 9:28 AM

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And now - an engine on Alinghi! These guys have no shame. Be interesting to see if they can even make the starting line if the NY courts tell them it's illegal and they have to try to modify the boat.


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Jul 20, 2009, 3:21 PM

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The America’s Cup will be back in court on Tuesday, July 21st, and among the topics will be the rules and regulations for the 33rd America’s Cup (ie, the permissibility of stored power, moveable ballast, etc) and the disclosure of any agreements between the defense club, Société Nautique Genève (SNG), and the International Sailing Federation (ISAF). To this later issue, challenging club Golden Gate Yacht Club (GGYC) had said this last week:

“An ISAF Executive Committee member has acknowledged that on June 5, 2009, SNG (or its racing team Alinghi) paid ISAF 150,000 euros pursuant to a secret agreement making certain arrangements concerning ISAF’s role in, and the ‘rules and sailing regulations’ for, the next Cup match. Neither ISAF nor SNG/Alinghi will disclose the secret agreement to GGYC. “

Curious about this ‘secret agreement’, Scuttlebutt contacted Jerome Pels at ISAF, who as Secretary General is the chief ranking officer among the hired hands. Said Pels, “ISAF has agreements with all kinds of major and professional events including the Olympic Games and these agreements cover all kinds of things, such as appointment of officials, remuneration of officials, use of the rules, media rights, anti doping programme, advertising on boats, eligibility of competitors, etc. Nothing different here and nothing different from what has happened in other America’s Cup editions.”

On the last comment, we noted how Tom Ehman of BMW Oracle Racing (BOR) said that since the 1992 America’s Cup, the “defender and challenger of record have mutually consented to the terms of the agreement executed with ISAF related to certain aspects of the respective Cup event.” While it is not a shock that the defender would not want to include their bitter rival, Pels added, “Well, BOR was involved and at least two meetings were held and more conversations before ISAF met with SNG..... but as you say it is very difficult this time around.”

On the topic of secrecy, Pels noted, “Do you think FIFA (world governing organization for football/soccer) publishes the agreement with the Organisers of the Football World Cup on the arrangements of media rights, the rent for the stadium, the salary for the umpires etc?”

* Here is the official ISAF statement: http://www.sailing.org/news/28952.php

- Craig Leweck, Scuttlebutt


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Jul 20, 2009, 3:24 PM

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I'm totally shocked at this statement of Mr. Pels - "Do you think FIFA (world governing organization for football/soccer) publishes the agreement with the Organisers of the Football World Cup on the arrangements of media rights, the rent for the stadium, the salary for the umpires etc?"

Most important error of Mr. Pels statement and where the sailing community is disgusted with ISAF deals with changing the rules of the America's Cup. Mr. Pels is incorrect in his statement about FIFA. FIFA doesn't change their rules for the World Cup and the whole football (soccer) world knows that!!! Why does Pels not know this??? Is this a reflection of the calibre of professionalism we have at the top of ISAF staff??? I challenge Mr. Pels to call Sepp Blatter, President of FIFA to verify that the FIFA doesn't change their rules for the World Cup.

Further outside of these events using the World Governing Organizations (WGO) rules neither ISAF nor FIFA are involved with any of these respective events organizing at the LOC (Local Organizing Committee) level as Mr. Pels mentions. Again, how can Mr. Pels make such uniformed and incorrect statements about the America's Cup and the World Cup. His whole statement and his actions regarding the agreement with SNG begs the membership and sailors of the world to question what exactly going on at ISAF.

Obviously, Mr. Pels has no understanding of how other WGO's like FIFA function and maybe how ISAF should. I now firmly believe, ISAF being drawn into the America's Cup legal battle over this secret agreement with SNG is necessary for the America's Cup and sailing. The membership and their sailors need to find out exactly what is going on behind the closed doors of ISAF with this secret agreement, how it impacts the 33rd America's Cup and sailing. Being in court is a small price to pay to insure the Basic Principle, the foundation of our sport is adhered to by all, at all times and not supposedly in secrecy.

Neil W. Humphrey, Vancouver, BC


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