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Nevin Sayre - Broadening the scope of junior programs

Before Nevin Sayre was a five-time U.S. National Windsurfing Champion, he was a four time college sailing All-American. Sayre not only understands the competitive side of sailing, he understands that competition isn’t what sailing is all about.

So it is no shock to him that the sport in the U.S. is struggling to turn youth sailors into life sailors, because the focus in most junior programs is to turn youth sailors into youth racers. Here he explains:




In general, most junior sailing programs are one-dimensional and therefore limiting. There is the successful competitive track of prams/ Lasers/ 420s/ FJs that is great for the kids who are really into racing, but hardly inspiring for a larger group of “other kids”. The percentage that is exposed to sailing at age 6-10 but is effectively out of sailing by age 22 is staggering. Yeah, we point to large junior fleets and growing collegiate and high school sailing (which is awesome!), but this is usually the cream of the racer crop, and most others have checked out. Should our junior programs be teaching racing? Or sailing? We owe it to our sport to offer inspiring sailing alternatives for the “other kids”.

When juniors are asked why they dropped out of sailing, I find the real answers break down into three main issues: 1) boring compared to other activities; 2) over focus on racing/results; and in some cases because 3) “it was scary”. For most competitive sailors this is difficult to swallow. We love the tactics of racing, and the measurement against our peers is part of the excitement. We are enthused by the chess game, even if the boats are not particularly exciting. We can handle ourselves when the coach boat is not close by, and we are rarely scared. We wonder why the kids who drop out - the “other kids”- don’t get it.

Let’s be honest. The boats we learned to sail in may have been cutting edge at the time, but we introduce most new kids to sailing in boats that were designed over 50 years ago, (particularly in the U.S.). While lots of adult excitement surrounds new sport boats, multihulls, foilers, windsurfers, and kites, we stick our kids in bathtubs with archaic rigs and think it’s fine. The bathtubs might be okay for the first lessons, but sometimes kids are stuck in them for six years before they are physically ready to handle the next level boat. Many of these kids are bored out of their minds, and the dropout rate at age 10-13 is particularly high. This is the age when kids start to exercise their own choice, rather than just go where Mom & Dad signs them up. We are teaching the palm texting generation how to sail with typewriters. If the kids don’t like typewriters, they’re gone.

No doubt, most of us would find enjoyment in racing One Design Typewriters, but unless you are a kid who loves the game of racing, there’s not much inspiration. How often do kids take out the boats in your junior program just for fun? Where I live they leave the beach only when it’s an organized class or race. After class, they take out the windsurfers and other modern alternatives to go have a good time. That says a lot.

Almost the first thing most junior sailing programs do is set buoys, blow whistles, and start barking race rules. Only natural…… most of the summer instructors come from college racing and grew up with one option. Very soon the kids are ranked and measured against their peers. The kids at the top are fine with that, but the kids toward the back - not so much. The rankings are promoted (pushed?) by the coaches and often the parents, and a lot of kids tune out. In a lifetime sport that offers a myriad of wonderful options for adults, and where only a minority are involved in round-the-buoys competition, it’s too bad that usually the entire focus in junior sailing is on this one dimension.

With all the coach and mommy boats hovering around, I’m guessing the third reason kids drop out from sailing - “it’s scary”- is a less frequent cause. Nevertheless, time and again you hear about the kid who freaked out when the boat filled with water, was terrified, and quit cold turkey. Fortunately there are modern junior boats now available that are self-rescuing.

Sailing could learn a lot from the history of the snow industry. There was a time when archaic long skis were strapped on to a kid’s boots and he/she was shown primarily one option. If they made it through basic training, most kids were introduced to gates and racing was the one game to play. Snow sports at that time were on the fringe. Then came a revolutionary new era in the mountain industry, inspired by snowboarding, technology, innovation, and new materials. A combination of modern equipment, new formats, and style made snow sports (boarding and modern skiing alike) attractive to kids. The gear and culture was COOL and junior programs started to offer new alternatives for free riding, freestyle, etc for the kids who weren’t inspired by the same one format their parents were weaned on.

And you know what? There was still probably the same number of racers, but snow sports became attractive to “other kids”, and participation numbers went through the roof! Would the explosion of snow sports have happened if kids were introduced to skiing with gear from 50 years ago and racing gates was the only focus of every junior program?

So why is sailing so popular in, say, a country like France? One of the reasons has got to be that kids in France are as likely to learn to sail on a windsurfer or multihull or skiff as they are in an old school dinghy. Kids are given modern gear and can choose alternative formats that they find attractive. More kids become passionate about sailing.

The U.S. has been particularly slow in changing its one-dimensional thinking, but it is encouraging to see more junior programs are finding new alternatives that strike a chord with the “other kids”. More and more programs now offer windsurfing and recreational “Reachers” programs with low emphasis on race results and a stronger focus on sailing a variety of different modern boats. Instead of going around buoys until the kids are dizzy, on a given day they might borrow a big boat, try windsurfing, practice freestyle sailing, or “adventure sail” to a different harbor for ice cream. They are getting a wide range of valuable sailing skills, and, like at the mountain, the experience is more about hanging with their buds - doing the sport with each other and not always against each other.

Not surprisingly, it is often the community sailing programs that are taking the lead in offering new alternatives. They can’t rely on Mom & Dad’s club membership to guarantee a pool of kids who will at least try sailing. The community programs need to make sailing more fun and attractive to the “other kids” outside, or else they die. You can always find that the most vibrant programs are the ones that offer alternatives to the conventional race track. Community programs (and usually the parents) are usually not so focused on race results and filling the trophy cabinet. They are generally more open to try new thinking, but often have a tighter budget.

Don’t get me wrong. The pram/ Laser/ 420/ FJ race track may be just fine for a lot of kids, but junior programs that have added more fun, new-age alternatives are now reporting more enthusiasm and their dropout rates are in decline. Not every mountain allowed snowboarding or new-school skiing in the beginning, but when they saw the lines of kids flocking to the fun, they came around.

For full disclosure I work with BIC Sports that offers two junior alternatives - the O’Pen BIC and Techno 293 windsurfer. I am an avid windsurfer, dinghy sailor, and kitesurfer. While this combination certainly makes me biased, my passion stems from being a life-long sailor who witnessed my own two kids and their friends go through junior sailing programs … or drop out.

Story source: http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/news/10/1113/




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I don’t know Nevin, but he hammered the nail down with a heavy hammer in his article on “why do kids drop out of sailing”?

I was brought up sailing off a beach in Manly on Sydney Harbour during the summer holidays in about 1958. I started racing in a local club 18months later, and still race pretty competitively in single handed Mercuries out of LYC in Fort Lauderdale. These 450lb 16 footers were designed in about 1948, the year I was born. So there I was in the early 60’s racing in a 2 handed 8’ 7” 70lb (yeah, 70lb) 2 handed dinghy with main, jib, and spinnaker as a forward hand aged 11 or so. A year later, having won the forward hands championship that previous year, when I took the tiller in a series of races; Dad built me my first boat. I won the most “improved new skipper prize” that season. Next year, suffering growing pains, , I won the season point score and club championship with a 7 year old crew, because I needed to keep the weight down! (Grimmy will understand) Any-one out there know what I’m talking about?

The point is that we already knew about the heavy ‘clunkers’ and single handed boats they were racing in the States 50 years ago, and they had no appeal to the kids who raced with me ‘down-under’. Those first few seasons when we raced our 70lb ‘Manly Juniors’ was the only time I ever raced a non trapeze dinghy class. From Flying Ants; Javelins; Gwen 12’s; V.J’s; 12’; 14’; 16’; and 18’ skiffs; and others; on Sydney Harbour we raced lightweight classes with 2 to 4 crew; instilling teamwork and comradeship between crew and competitors alike. Classes like the 470 were only accepted in Sydney as a way to get to the Olympics, and single handed classes were not what you learned in. After honing your skills you might get into Finns or some of the slow Olympic class, because that was the only road to international competition. The Auzzies and Kiwi’s had it pretty good throughout the period of the 1900’s up until today, racing in classes that only recently have come to be accepted in the Northern Hemisphere, The 18’ and 16’ skiff’s; 49ers; and similar classes are boats that have been developed from classes we have raced for over 50 years, and we won’t give them up!

If the goal is to keep your junior sailors interested, don’t start them in single sailed ‘one-man’ classes like the Opi’s and Lasers. Put them in a class where 2 crew sail, and 2 families are involved with the one boat and you will have kids training other kids and not needing to be coddled by coaches and parents doting on “little Johnnie”. The focus at my own Florida Club on single handed-sailing exemplifies and exacerbates the problem that Nevin tries to resolve. Put juniors into fast light fun classes so they can share with another crewmember, both the highs and lows, and you might just be surprised how 2 kids in the one boat are able to resolve many of the racing and sailing issues that one child in a boat is unable to do by himself, without a coach. The push to single-handed sailing classes in the States bring rewards to a few, but leaves the majority disinterested, and naturally they drop out of the sport. Most sail-boat racing is done with multiple crew, and down-under that is the emphasis in junior training. I wonder why exactly the opposite accent is placed on junior sailing here?

Guys like me at 62 are perfectly suited to single-handed old 450lb classes like the 16’ Mercury, but put the kids into lightweight multi-crewed boats with spinnakers and all the good stuff, and they will learn to sail fast and “fast”, and probably keep sailing their whole life; like I have! Fleets of old 420’s and Mercuries and such like just don’t have the interest for kids today, as they didn’t for my peers 50 years ago. The Sydney 18’ weigh about 120lbs and carry 3 crew on trapeze, and have about the same sail area as a Melges 32. It’s not too hard to get kids excited about that! All of those classes I mentioned are still popular in Sydney, which says something about the fun of sailing fast, crewed, racing dinghy classes. I think it is far better to have a training program based on what was the norm in Sydney 50 years ago, which is still applicable today. Start a junior program in year 1 with a 2 handed class (like the Manly Junior) racing with just main and jib in that first year. In year 2, graduate to spinnakers and after that let the kids sort themselves out. Some will continue with crewed boats and others will graduate into single handed sailing. My guess is that will be a first step to keeping junior sailors in the sport.

A final note. If trying to develop a lifelong sport, take the emphasis of international competition at too early an age. Remember the burn-out in gymnastics.

Regards,

Mike
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I write to respond to the November 21 report on Nevin Sayre’s suggestion that the trouble with youth and early adult (post college) sailing is that the boats being used are dated and not fun. I disagree.

In the mid ‘60s, more US children probably raced sailboats than played soccer. The rules and equipment for soccer have not changed and its growth is enviable. Soccer and sailing are at core, forms of play – recreation. As explained by Johan Huizinga in his Homo Ludens - play creates order, is order; play demands order absolute and supreme. It is the constancy of the rules and the equipment that creates a timelessness to a game, hence acceptance and growth.

The recent successes in sailing corroborate this observation. Strong one design sailing with little chance for an arms race has experienced growth: Optis, lasers, Club 420s, high school/ college and team racing. These simple options end with college as the cohort that can least afford sailing is confronted with expensive options that reward more money being spent. The loss of simplicity is compounded by the belief that equipment is more important than the need for simplicity and constancy of the rules of the game; the need for order. The error is exemplified by ISAF turning the Olympic paradigm upside down. Normally, the Olympics represent the pinnacle of a large pyramid of participants. With Olympic sailing, classes and events are invented with, for some events, only a few teams competing for the spot.

Play and sports are not about the equipment. Their success derives from creating an order through rules that is simple and unchanging: a baseball and a bat, a soccer ball, a puck and a stick.

Absent a recognition of the nature of play, we will continue down the path of thinking the sport is about equipment, turn the Olympics into the X games, and further marginalize the sport of sailboat racing.

John Lambert
Cumberland, Maine




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Nevin Sayre is spot on regarding the one-dimensional focus of youth sailing. But there are very sound reasons why our training ground remains this way.

The two biggest reasons are money and safety.

Safety figures prominently because teaching racing keeps all the boats in the same area. If there is a problem, the instructor or coach is usually near by and can reach the sailor in distress in moments. Also, the instructor is usually observing from a vantage point that keeps all the boats in view. Any type of cruising class tends to allow the boats to spread out over the bay or river. Some boats are faster, others point better and the ones that capsize tend to get dropped out the back of the flotilla.

As sailing coach of our local high school sailing team for a decade and head instructor of our local summer sailing program for several years, I learned the hard way that keeping the sailors corralled in a small area reduces the risk. An example – for years we had a ‘picnic sail’ the last day of our advanced class. We would gather at Jackson’s Beach, one of the moms would collect the potluck picnic food and drive it to Fourth of July Beach while we sailed the three or so miles to meet her. The flotilla of sailors tended to spread out over the entirety of Griffin Bay as they made their way to the picnic. Boats could be as much as two miles apart, depending on which tack they chose to start on and how fast the various boats sail. Two miles means that in a safety boat that can go 20 knots, there could be five minutes from one side of the fleet to the other. A lot can go wrong in five minutes. Usually things go OK, but when one boat capsizes, sometimes another one – or three – will also. The risk involved goes up exponentially. Keeping the boats corralled in a small location reduces the risks. Racing tends to keep the boats bunched together.

You may say that cruising is best taught in a keelboat and I would agree. But the cost of that keelboat is many times more than a typical youth dinghy. Which brings us to the money side of the issue. Take a look at the budget that your club or community sailing program has for the youth program. Compare that to what your local high school spends on football. The big capital outlay for football is the field. Where I live, a builder or developer would happily spend a half a million on a parcel of property that could be divided into 8 or more building lots. But we argue about spending $6000 on a boat for a youth program. Sailors just aren’t willing to make the capital outlay to promote the sport. I don’t have any answers as to why that is, but I think we all need to look inward.


Without investment in our youth, our sport will eventually die out. Consider what you are doing to make sailing attractive to young people. My suggestion would be to donate time or money to your local youth program. Maybe both time AND money. The local program director can offer suggestions. That program director is the one closest to the needs and can speak articulately to them. Step up and give a little back.

Scott Boye, Friday Harbor





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Better Instruction: Constant re-vamping and re-working of US SAILING's training programs to make them more relevant to what sailing instructors need. Also, More often, areas are running specific Instructor Clinics that bring high-level coaches and next-level instructing directly to their area (JSALIS and CBYRA, specifically).

Parallel Curriculum: Even 15 years ago, clubs were working to provide alternative curriculum to their programs for youth and adults. It continues today with programs providing non-racing and more active-oriented alternatives like "Adventure Sailing" at AYC, with boats like O'Pen Bics and Stand-Up-Paddle. Come see Jay Kehoe and John Faudree present what AYC and Rochester YC are doing respectively at US SAILING's National Sailing Programs Symposium Jan 26-30, 2011 in Clearwater, FL.

New DIfferent Equipment: Many programs are adding updated equipment, like Windsurfers, Bugs, RS Fevas, O'Pen Bics, to their arsenals. Initial equipment costs and scarcity of qualified instructors on this equipment keep it a slow climb in numbers.

We need to remember that most sail training is planned, produced and performed by volunteers. This means it may not move at the kind of pace we would like. Many people are out there working very hard to bring and retain more people to this sport we love.

Let's veer away from debate about what's wrong and into conversation about what's going right... Come to the NSPS and learn what's working all around the country, so you can save sailing in your backyard!

Amy Gross-Kehoe
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Jan 26-30, 2011, Clearwater, FlUS SAILING Youth Council Chair


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Hear! Hear! to what Nevin has to say about keeping sailing interesting for a broad range of juniors. One idea I'd like to add for the tween and teen, is keelboat sailing for juniors.. However you make it happen, introducing youth to larger boats helps to keep them involved. It provides three unique benefits:

1. Social structure providing them with help in socializing with others their own age, especially of the opposite gender.
2. Complexity that keeps them learning brand new things (the most fun kind of learning)
3. Team concept that makes them feel like they 'belong' to something bigger than themselves

US SAILING will roll out its Junior Big Boat Sailing program early next year and will provide program directors a blueprint on how to safely and successfully introduce youth to the benefits of sailing in larger, more complicated boats. Stay tuned!

Richard Jepsen, Chair, Education Division, US SAILING





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I think that Nevin Sayre offers some interesting points about a wider scope for Junior programs, but my observation as a club instructor for a number of years is that if the parents actively sail the kids stay interested. Just like skiing, if the parents are on the slopes the kids probably are too.

Alan McReynolds, Fairport, NY




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Making sailors? Sounds like conscription, not fun.

Speaking as a dad, I don't care if we're making sailors or skiers, or for that matter, dancing with the stars contestants.

My job is to give my kids a chance at excellent citizenry and joy in the time they have. If sailing can play a role in that, all the better.


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I was a sailing instructor in the 1970s. The kids were motivated to sail on their own before and after 'class' because the boats were new and exciting at the time. We took them on overnight cruises that mirrored the adult summer cruise. There were treasure hunts, pirate races, tag-team races and cookouts every week. Moonlight sails. Capture the flag at night. Sears Cup finalists emerged who went on to become Mallory Cup finalists, but that was on their own effort and time, not a club focus.

I live on the shore near a different YC now and I see the same classes of boats (Optis and 420s) but much fewer activities now. Too often a day's class is ducks-in-a-line, the least capable sailors left behind to fend for themselves, running into moored boats and getting in irons. I wouldn't be surprised at all if children find it boring.




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From Laurence Mead:
Nevin Sayre is 100% right. As a passionate one-design sailor I always assumed my kids would love it to. In fact they don't. My son hates heavy old Etchells and my daughter hates being a cog in an overstaffed big boat crew. Thanks to a smart wife however I learnt a LONG time ago to let them do what THEY wanted to do.

They capsized Lasers in the sunshine and played pirates, they sailed around and around in a 29er we got (an old cheap one) and had LOADS of fun just going fast (and capsizing) and in the end my son Oscar came back to Etchells to learn how to race better but found his true sailing passion in solo offshore sailing, and my daughter was navigator on the HK boat "Mandarke" in the Commodores Cup in the Solent this year.

The moral of the story is; don’t push them into what we want them to do. Let them have fun enjoying the sport. After that they will likely stay in it.




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We've had good results at our club by getting PHRF keelboats into the mix of Junior sailing. The juniors all get to be on the same boat, so the ones who are really into jib trim and angle of attack can focus on that, and the ones who aren't as fired up about racing can still contribute and feel they're a useful part of the team because there are so many facets to big-boat racing (winch-grinding, tailing, folding sails... there's plenty that needs doing!). An annual long-distance overnight race is a great motivator, along with a day race series. Practicing by going out (to beat, if they can) the adults on Wednesday nights and at other opportunities is also a good motivator.
To turn off the pressure but still keep kids turned on to sailing, Nyack (NY) YC seems to have a great idea: An owner takes his boat on a week-long cruise with a crew of junior sailors. They get hooked on sailing while he builds his pool of potential crew and gets his boat positioned for his annual family cruise without having to motor solo for three days to get her there. Showing that racing isn't the only option is a good route to broadening our base.


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